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Main articles: urim and thummim (latter day saints) and seer stone (latter day saints) joseph smith, founder of the latter day saint movement, said that he used interpreters in order to translate the book of mormon from the golden plates.
During the translation of the book of mormon, joseph smith apparently used both of these instruments—the interpreters and his seer stone—interchangeably. They worked in much the same way, and the early saints sometimes used the term “urim and thummim” to refer to the seer stone as well as the interpreters.
Accounts of the book of mormon translation process, including joseph smith using a seer stone and accounts of joseph smith using urim and thummim.
Js referred to the pair of stones found with the plates as “spectacles,” and he later referred to these stones and his other seer stones with the term “urim and thummim,” the name of the instrument used by the high priest of israel in the bible.
Are there any differences? how is it said that joseph smith translated using them, if they are different? how is it said that joseph smith found them, if they are different? if you have any sources you would like to send me to, please list them.
Urim and thummim places the book of mormon translation on trial, presenting the latest research in one of the most comprehensive treatments of the translation process to date providing encouragement for latter-day saints who fear they have been “betrayed” by the translation history taught by the church for over 190 years.
We have been taught since the days of the prophet that the urim and thummim were returned with the plates to the angel. We have no record of the prophet having the urim and thummim after the organization of the church.
The urim and thummim became part of the story when it was presented within and to the great tradition. Eventually, even joseph smith used urim and thummim indiscriminately as labels generically representing either the book of mormon interpreters or the seer stone used during translation.
Jan 21, 2020 okay so on this video i want to talk about joseph smith's seer stone culture, the culture and publication of the book of mormon and joseph smith's seer stones.
The statement has been made that the urim and thummim was on the altar in the manti temple when that building was dedicated. The urim and thummim so spoken of, however, was the seer stone which was in the possession of the prophet joseph smith in early days.
May 8, 2019 joseph started translating the book of mormon in 1828.
– seer stone is different than urim and thummim – seer stone was always used after the 116 pages were lost – seer stone was used in a hat “[h]e used a stone called a “seers stone,” the “interpreters” having been taken away from him because of transgression.
Mason allred and mark ashurst-mcgee discuss historical accounts of the book of mormon translation process, including joseph smith using a seer stone and accounts of joseph smith using urim and thummim.
A seer stone and a hat – translating the book of mormon by bill mckeever and eric johnson the founder of the lds church, joseph smith, claimed an angel named moroni visited him in september of 1823.
The urim and thummim (urim v’tumim) refer to a single piece of parchment which had god’s ineffable name inscribed on it (the tetragrammaton). It was placed inside aaron’s breastplate (choshen), between the two folds. (the breastplate consisted of a large rectangular piece of cloth doubled over.
Feb 26, 2017 thus, mackay and frederick show in their book, the urim and thummim and term seer stone are used interchangeably to indicate seer stones.
These divine “means” have come in different forms throughout scriptural history. Sometimes god works through a brazen serpent, a bit of clay, the urim and thummim, or seer stones. Joseph smith used both the nephite interpreters and his individual seer stone in the translation of the book of mormon.
Urim and thummim places the book of mormon translation on trial, presenting the latest research in one of the most comprehensive treatments of the translation process to date providing encouragement for latter-day saints who fear they have been betrayed by the translation history taught by the church for over 190 years.
Ok guys, so we’ve done one other faith and beliefs video about seer stones. Now, a lot of people are concerned about the fact that joseph smith used a seer stone to translate the book of mormon.
Scott roderick the urim and thummim was given to aaron, the brother of moses. It was placed in the breastplate aaron wore and called the the breastplate of judgment. 1 because of aaron's rebellion on mount hor, the lord stripped him of the priestly robes.
Joseph smith received with the breastplate and the plates of the book of mormon, the urim and thummim, which were hid up by moroni to come forth in the last days as a means by which the ancient record might be translated, which urim and thummim were given to the brother of jared.
As this blog has pointed out repeatedly, the knowledge that joseph smith used a seer stone (along with the nephite intepreters, also called “urim and thummim”) to translate the book of mormon was well-known to latter-day saints from the early days, having been declared by faithful witnesses to the translation, affirmed by church leaders.
“the prophet joseph smithpossessed a seer stone by which he was enabled to translate, as well as from the urim and thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stonethe seer stone differed in appearance entirely from the urim and thummim that was obtained with the plates (which was two clear stones set in two rims, very much.
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Aug 10, 2015 a book with the hebrew אורים ותמים (urim v'thummim), a reference to the urim and apparently, the urim and thummim worked like flipping a coin, the translation of a now lost 116 pages of the book of mormon.
While the method of translation was clearly understood by many members of the church including emma, oliver, martin harris, and others, joseph stopped talking about his use of the seer stone for creation of the book of mormon around 1831. T this may be because he was put on trial for the use of this stone.
Mar 19, 2018 seer stones and the translation of the book of mormon translate the ancient record and accounts of joseph smith using urim and thummim.
Urim and thummim, seer stone what is the scriptural definition of the gospel? yea, repent and be baptized, every one of you, for a remission of your sins; yea, be baptized even by water, and then cometh the baptism of fire and of the holy ghost.
Most lds church members were taught that joseph smith used seer stones referred to as the urim and thummim (nephite interpreters) to translate the book of mormon (bom) to various scribes.
The church states that, these two instruments—the interpreters and the seer stone—were apparently interchangeable and worked in much the same way such.
Incredibly, a decade after van dam’s book was published, one dallas e james, of seattle, washington, actually claimed to be in possession of the ut, in this case a flat, oval jasper stone, which was ‘the christ stone of scripture also known in ancient israel as the urim-thummim’ (james, 2007).
The idea that joseph and his associates used the term urim and thummim to refer to the seer stone joseph reportedly found in a well is merely an effort by the revisionist historians to reconcile what joseph and oliver (and their contemporaries and successors) taught with what the critics claimed.
While smith and the mormon leadership have claimed that the urim and thummim were included with the book of mormon plates, very little is said about these.
I had the privilege of seeing for the first time in my day the urim and thummim. ” 8 less than two months later, woodruff again called joseph smith’s seer stone “the urim and thummim” in reference to its use in translating the book of abraham, 9 and apostle parley pratt made a similar statement in a church newspaper a few months later.
The seer stone in a hat story is simply an attempt to discredit the truth and destroy joseph smith. Sadly, intellectuals and scholars are trying to hijack church history. Joseph’s history in the pgp uses the term urim and thummim 6 times–never the seer stone.
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